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2 wrz 2016

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Can somone explain how to use the word ain't. I don't get it. If you say like there ain't no pears. Isn't that double negation? And does it mean you have apples or not?

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2700
2 wrz 2016

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*pears or apples or anything else
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delta1212
2 wrz 2016

  • angielski (amerykański)

While proper English has double negation, informal English often ignores this, and ain't is always used informally,

"I ain't got no apples" just means "I don't have any apples."

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archstan33
2 wrz 2016

  • angielski (amerykański)

also 'no it ain't' = no it isn't/no it is not

2700
2 wrz 2016

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Oh... that's easy it bothered me for a long time 😂 I can finally rest assured. Thank you guys :)
citizenjane
2 wrz 2016

  • angielski (amerykański)

If there's only one negation/negative in the sentence, e.g. "no it ain't", that means 'no it's not/isn't'. However if there's another negative in the sentence like "I ain't got NO apples" ... That's just a common English speaker incorrectly trying to say 'I do not have any apples'. The sentence "I ain't got no apples" is not correct, but native speakers know what that means. Now I'm wondering if native German speakers do not make the same common grammar mistakes in their own language as us English speakers :) Let me know!

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delta1212
2 wrz 2016

  • angielski (amerykański)
@citizenjane Since I really started really delving into grammar and syntax as well as learning a few other languages, I've noticed that a lot of what I considered "bad" grammar is often an alternate but fully consistent grammar either as a result of an emerging regional dialect or, and I've noticed this especially as I've been interacting more with language learners from various places, attempts to fit the grammar of a different native language into English, or simplify parts of English that non-natives often have difficulty with. Some languages, like Spanish, don't treat double-negatives like English does, and so you will see that "mistake" more frequently in areas with high numbers of bilingual or native Spanish speakers, or the children of bilingual or native Spanish speakers. I've also noticed, as a resident of New Jersey, the tendency to use "yous" as a second person plural, which English has lost as a distinct form but which Italian still has. A lot of what I'd thought of as poor regional grammar, once I'd really started paying attention, was more clearly a result of an immigrant population, largely Italians in my area, modifying the English that they spoke and then passing that down to their children. It's still internally consistent as a grammar, like using the simple past for of a verb instead of the past participle to form the present perfect (e.g. We would have ate vs We would have eaten), it's just not the version of English grammar we learn in school. African American Vernacular English in particular is really interesting because it has a few grammar features that can make distinctions that don't exist in 'textbook' English like the habitual 'be.' Most 'common mistakes' in any language are made for a reason, and the kinds of mistakes do vary between languages, and native speakers may make different mistakes than people who learn a language as a second language. I have, for instance, never confused das and dass as a German learner, but apparently that is a common issue for natives in the vein of there/their/they're in English. The whole subject of grammar mistakes across languages and how different grammars interact is quite fascinating.

@citizenjane

Since I really started really delving into grammar and syntax as well as learning a few other languages, I've noticed that a lot of what I considered "bad" grammar is often an alternate but fully consistent grammar either as a result of an emerging regional dialect or, and I've noticed this especially as I've been interacting more with language learners from various places, attempts to fit the grammar of a different native language into English, or simplify parts of English that non-natives often have difficulty with.

Some languages, like Spanish, don't treat double-negatives like English does, and so you will see that "mistake" more frequently in areas with high numbers of bilingual or native Spanish speakers, or the children of bilingual or native Spanish speakers.

I've also noticed, as a resident of New Jersey, the tendency to use "yous" as a second person plural, which English has lost as a distinct form but which Italian still has. A lot of what I'd thought of as poor regional grammar, once I'd really started paying attention, was more clearly a result of an immigrant population, largely Italians in my area, modifying the English that they spoke and then passing that down to their children. It's still internally consistent as a grammar, like using the simple past for of a verb instead of the past participle to form the present perfect (e.g. We would have ate vs We would have eaten), it's just not the version of English grammar we learn in school.

African American Vernacular English in particular is really interesting because it has a few grammar features that can make distinctions that don't exist in 'textbook' English like the habitual 'be.'

Most 'common mistakes' in any language are made for a reason, and the kinds of mistakes do vary between languages, and native speakers may make different mistakes than people who learn a language as a second language. I have, for instance, never confused das and dass as a German learner, but apparently that is a common issue for natives in the vein of there/their/they're in English.

The whole subject of grammar mistakes across languages and how different grammars interact is quite fascinating.

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citizenjane
2 wrz 2016

  • angielski (amerykański)

@delta1212: Quite fascinating indeed, especially when you explain it! I am from New Jersey and never knew why we say "yous" until now. Amazing, thank you!

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2700
3 wrz 2016

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@citizenjane: we don't make any common grammar mistakes or at least I don't :) and I haven't heard anything alike
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